Speaking of getting paid…

I find it funny people are wondering who would pay $20 for a gold guide when people are freely spending $10 (or more if you gotta-catch-em-all) for a pet, one that will ultimately provide less entertainment per dollar than said guide (And while buying the guide has zero impact on future content, telling a company you will gladly hand over 2/3+ of a monthly sub for next to nothing just might). Keep in mind that a gold guide and actually buying gold are (imo) night and day. To me a gold guide is basically like paying for a friend to tell you how to play a game better, while buying gold is like paying someone to play for you. Watching a youtube video of a raid boss will show you HOW to beat that boss, but knowing and actually doing it are two different things, right?

Now personally I don’t pay for friends, but if you need to, have at it. All the guide gives you in terms of an edge is knowledge that can be found for free with enough searching/playing. Maybe you don’t care to read 100s of forum posts about an upcoming patch and how it will bork the economy, and you are someone who is willing to pay a premium to have that information filtered for you. At the end of the day, what you do with that information is still up to you.

The ‘problem’ with WoW is that making money is trivial, so following a guide point-by-point actually works, and hence people are successful following them. In a game with an actual economic challenge (say, EVE), a gold guide can provide tips and knowledge to make you a better trader, but you can’t just run an AH mod and see success. The real problem is not gold guides or their makers (other than the scummy ways they advertise), it’s the brain-dead easy economic ‘challenge’ that those guide describe.

10 Responses to Speaking of getting paid…

  1. sid67 says:

    I think what’s misleading about these “guides” is that what people want is a fast and easy way to make money. Any such guide only delivers on half that promise — the easy part.

    And that’s because making money in WoW is not complicated, it’s time consuming.

    Every braggart out there who has earned a moderate to excessive sum of WoW wealth will all talk about how “easy” it is but they never mention that it’s also terribly time consuming.

    They would like you to think they just magically buy a few materials on the AH and then flip them for profit but the simple act of inventory management is time consuming by itself. The “guides” teach you the most profitable methods, but you still have to spend hours and hours and hours executing them.

    In the end, it might be more profitable and less grindy than let’s say — mining. But it’s still a very time consuming process.

    That said — I *do* agree that buying a guide is far different than buying gold. Ones teaching a person how to fish, the other is just giving them fish. Big difference.

    And it’s that legitimacy that gives these guides a market. A player who would shy away from gold buying may see a “guide” as a legitimate way to get gold quickly. After all, the motivation between gold buyers and guide buyers is the same — they want gold. The difference is that the guide buyer doesn’t want to break the rules.

    And now we are back to why the “time consuming” part bugs me. Because there is no instant way to earn gold — without buying it for RMT.

  2. Letrange says:

    /me wanders in from reading the MD section of the eveonline website.

    You realize of course that when someone usually sets up something like that they are counting on their suggestions to have a certain effect that then can then use to make themselves even more gold? It’s called “market manipulation”. Whenever someone tries to sell you a method of making money, double check it’s probable effect on the market if a lot of people start doing it and figure out how someone could take advantage of that. Then you’ll know why he was trying to hawk a specific method of making gold.

    /me goes back to observing the pros do it.

    • sid67 says:

      That would be true if the market were more complicated in WoW. But the simplicity of it makes it very easy to control without going through the added step of creating such a guide.

      Also, gold is relative. You really don’t need that much if you don’t have a lot of Alts, Twinks and such.

      In a game like EvE, if your ship blows up — you need a new ship. If you die in WoW, so what? A small durability hit? So by necessity, ISK is more meaningful than WoW gold.

      Therefore, the market to gain ISK and control ISK is more competitive. AND — it includes all EvE players, not just the 10,000 or so on a single WoW server.

  3. Affiliate programs are scummy ways to advertise? Its not like these guide websites are asking for your cell phone number and tagging a charge onto your phone bill behind your back.

    We can debate the merit’s of gold guides, but to call out affiliate advertising as scummy is ironic considering your addition of a Darkfall affiliate link.

    The truth is that WoW has a thriving secondary market. Some people are willing to pay, and by the success of these guides they are obviously offering something that is not easily found for free as everyone claims.

    • SynCaine says:

      You’re confused again. I don’t have any issue with affiliate programs or what people choose to put on their sites. Now personally I don’t visit blogs (or websites in general if I have a choice) with excess advertising, but that’s just me.

      The scummy part is not the guide or the ad, it’s how most (including this guy) go about placing them. If he is confident in the service he is providing, why try to be clever and tricky instead of just being upfront about it (like he tried later)? Even if his service was 100% legit, his sales pitch already damns him.

      • Confused? No. I read what you wrote, which appears to be written incorrectly from your view posted now in the comments. You don’t like his promotional techniques for his affiliate program. Got it. Thanks.

        • SynCaine says:

          Right, I don’t like how he advertises his guide by trying to get sites to put up links to it. He should be promoting his guide in a more transparent way. Glad we cleared the confusion up.

  4. Dblade says:

    Problem is most people don’t care about the economic game, they want to swing swords and pew pew ships. Economic games imo were designed to be yet another form of timesink, and an entire industry has formed around it.

    Is it any wonder people try to get past it through guides, RMT (both legal or not, COUGH PLEX COUGH) or other means?

  5. Iggep says:

    I have no problem with anyone selling a gold guide, though I have never purchased any, nor would I ever. What I did find to be quite questionable were his tactics when trying to entice others to advertise for him. Those tactics said all I need to know about the individual, and consequently I removed the link to his site from my own blog. I run a very small blog, so he probably won’t even notice it’s absence, but yet if I am just one among many that do it he’s liable to see that shady activity has a consequence.

  6. Bronte says:

    Just one point of disagreement. EvE Online, if you know the lay of the land, is one of the EASIEST games to make copious amounts of money.

    I returned to the MMO after a 4-year of absence, and with a tiny starter capital of about 20Mil ISK, I made my first billion in less than a month, just through trading.

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