if players REALLY want a sandbox PVP MMO, they were playing Darkfall, being indie or greek or whatever. CCP is Icelander and indie too, they financed the creation of EVE with a gameboard.

Basically, only a minority dreams about a sandbox PvP with full loot and ffa. If a big company waste money at that model we will just see a HUGE financial disaster. a financial disaster that will make sure no investor waste a cent at any sandbox MMO forever, and too at any other MMO. Your dream will prove be a nightmare.

Read this article from Heartless Gamer http://www.heartlessgamer.com/2012/03/problem-with-modern-mmo-pvp.html

It is impossible to return to the golden era of UO where sheep and wolves lived at same MMO, not peacefully, because at that era the only MMO that existed was just UO. No one had other MMO for go. It is not surprise that when EQ was launched they syphoned UO players…

There are a lot of diferent MMO at market and the sheep will just go to other MMO, leaving the wolves alone at the sandbox pvp MMO. If someone try to waste $ 300 million to make a sandbox pvp MMO, that company will discover that they will go bankrupt fast.

If any indie company try to create a sandbox pvp MMO, they will just discover they are eating the playerbase of Darkfall (there is only wolves there now), but geting no new player to the market. Bad for the company, bad for Darkfall, both will lose money. 50k players will not cover the cousts for both companies.

what I was trying to say is that these mmo’s like darkfall would do far better if they had various rulesets such as ffa partial loot, ffa no loot, hell maybe even a pve server..also why not apply that philosophy to other games. Why the hell cant gw2 have one pvp server

The problem is that THERE IS a PvP sandbox: Darkfall. And Darkfall is 100 k playerbase. PvP sandbox will be niche game, wolves like it, but sheep will stay at other MMO.

But now we are WAY off topic :)

I’m personally hoping gw2 small combat is fun, easy to find, and basically a lol replacement; I have no interest in zerging; even in warhammer which had a pretty flawed pvp design, there ended up being a lot of small skirmishes available when you looked, and those were incredibly fun.

Then compare that variation to the amount you would see between different rangers in gw2, which have different weapons equiped, different skills, traits, items, racials, etc.

imo, the variation between rangers is far greater. And you can apply that across the board for all “classes” in both games.

And in gw2, they do have 5vs5 spvp, just like lol, if that is what you are after. I definitely agree that if all gw2 boils down to is zerg vs zerg it will likely fail; but they seem to realize they need to provide other options, they have stressed there is much to do in pvp zones for solo/small groups, and there is 5vs5 spvp; so hopefully that isn’t the case =)