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		<title>By: Rammstein</title>
		<link>http://syncaine.com/2012/09/05/someone-reprogram-the-bot/#comment-78109</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rammstein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;As evident by his multiple failures to start a like-minded Corp, or to even find like-minded players to join him in his current welfaring of TEST.&quot;

One could interpret this set of facts many different ways, but A. it&#039;s a bit early in his EVE career to make that kind of final judgment and B.  I&#039;m not really interested in debating that.  Whether he&#039;s a robot, or a madman tilting at windmills, or a robot tilting at windmills, we&#039;re approaching semantics there.

&quot;Which itself would be a non-issue, except that Gevlon insists what he does is what everyone else SHOULD be doing, and his continued amazement that people would rather do ANYTHING else to earn ISK. Leaving that out kinda misses the entire point I think.&quot;

Yes, this is exactly the kind of thing that IS worth writing about Gevlon.  Leaving that out would indeed be missing the entire point, except that you have missed my entire point, which is that this, the worthwhile type of thing to write about him, gets buried under endless &#039;he&#039;s a boring robot&#039; garbage--which is the opposite of me just leaving it out.  This is what&#039;s interesting, not that he fails, but that the goal he&#039;s shooting for is an inhuman dystopia, and tons of people are jumping on his bandwagon, and that he&#039;s flabbergasted that anyone doesn&#039;t want to.  If he achieved his goals it would literally destroy EVE And CCP, and that&#039;s just his ingame goals.

&quot;As for the what I play and why, I’d explain it in detail but I think I have already multiple times.&quot;

Well, you went ahead and explained it anyway, but there was really no need to.  I wasn&#039;t making an &quot;aha gotcha hypocrite, explain yourself!&quot; point, just a good-natured plea for tolerance with a modicum of gotcha!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As evident by his multiple failures to start a like-minded Corp, or to even find like-minded players to join him in his current welfaring of TEST.&#8221;</p>
<p>One could interpret this set of facts many different ways, but A. it&#8217;s a bit early in his EVE career to make that kind of final judgment and B.  I&#8217;m not really interested in debating that.  Whether he&#8217;s a robot, or a madman tilting at windmills, or a robot tilting at windmills, we&#8217;re approaching semantics there.</p>
<p>&#8220;Which itself would be a non-issue, except that Gevlon insists what he does is what everyone else SHOULD be doing, and his continued amazement that people would rather do ANYTHING else to earn ISK. Leaving that out kinda misses the entire point I think.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, this is exactly the kind of thing that IS worth writing about Gevlon.  Leaving that out would indeed be missing the entire point, except that you have missed my entire point, which is that this, the worthwhile type of thing to write about him, gets buried under endless &#8216;he&#8217;s a boring robot&#8217; garbage&#8211;which is the opposite of me just leaving it out.  This is what&#8217;s interesting, not that he fails, but that the goal he&#8217;s shooting for is an inhuman dystopia, and tons of people are jumping on his bandwagon, and that he&#8217;s flabbergasted that anyone doesn&#8217;t want to.  If he achieved his goals it would literally destroy EVE And CCP, and that&#8217;s just his ingame goals.</p>
<p>&#8220;As for the what I play and why, I’d explain it in detail but I think I have already multiple times.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, you went ahead and explained it anyway, but there was really no need to.  I wasn&#8217;t making an &#8220;aha gotcha hypocrite, explain yourself!&#8221; point, just a good-natured plea for tolerance with a modicum of gotcha!</p>
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		<title>By: Rammstein</title>
		<link>http://syncaine.com/2012/09/05/someone-reprogram-the-bot/#comment-78056</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rammstein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 03:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No.  Your second question has infinite answers, although the simplest is that civilized and educated discussion has little to do with politics in modern society.  No.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.  Your second question has infinite answers, although the simplest is that civilized and educated discussion has little to do with politics in modern society.  No.</p>
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		<title>By: SynCaine</title>
		<link>http://syncaine.com/2012/09/05/someone-reprogram-the-bot/#comment-78036</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SynCaine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;In essence, your entire argument boils down to the claim that the way Gevlon plays EVE is boring and uncreative.&quot;

As evident by his multiple failures to start a like-minded Corp, or to even find like-minded players to join him in his current welfaring of TEST.

Which itself would be a non-issue, except that Gevlon insists what he does is what everyone else SHOULD be doing, and his continued amazement that people would rather do ANYTHING else to earn ISK. Leaving that out kinda misses the entire point I think.

As for the what I play and why, I&#039;d explain it in detail but I think I have already multiple times. GW2 was as much about INQ as it was about the game itself. If anything, even my low expectations were not met, which is both surprising and of course disappointing. Perhaps I bought into everyone but Bhag writing that GW2 was something other than a WoW-clone (which its not, its worse in many ways), but a lot of the current situation can also be attributed to my activities in EVE (which is something I&#039;ll post about at some point, as I think its an interesting lesson).

That said I do still have two of my three EVE accounts active, and still do a bit of trading and PI, so... ha?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In essence, your entire argument boils down to the claim that the way Gevlon plays EVE is boring and uncreative.&#8221;</p>
<p>As evident by his multiple failures to start a like-minded Corp, or to even find like-minded players to join him in his current welfaring of TEST.</p>
<p>Which itself would be a non-issue, except that Gevlon insists what he does is what everyone else SHOULD be doing, and his continued amazement that people would rather do ANYTHING else to earn ISK. Leaving that out kinda misses the entire point I think.</p>
<p>As for the what I play and why, I&#8217;d explain it in detail but I think I have already multiple times. GW2 was as much about INQ as it was about the game itself. If anything, even my low expectations were not met, which is both surprising and of course disappointing. Perhaps I bought into everyone but Bhag writing that GW2 was something other than a WoW-clone (which its not, its worse in many ways), but a lot of the current situation can also be attributed to my activities in EVE (which is something I&#8217;ll post about at some point, as I think its an interesting lesson).</p>
<p>That said I do still have two of my three EVE accounts active, and still do a bit of trading and PI, so&#8230; ha?</p>
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		<title>By: Xyloxan</title>
		<link>http://syncaine.com/2012/09/05/someone-reprogram-the-bot/#comment-78025</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 20:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, but this doesn&#039;t make sense and is a dangerous way of thinking. Let me give you an example. Say, I am a Democrat. Are you saying that as a Democrat I shouldn&#039;t be watching and discussing what&#039;s going on at the Republican National Convention? How else can I have a civilized and educated discussion with my Republican friends if I don&#039;t know their philosophy and their arguments? Are you suggesting that themepark fanboys should never play and talk about sandbox games, and conversely?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but this doesn&#8217;t make sense and is a dangerous way of thinking. Let me give you an example. Say, I am a Democrat. Are you saying that as a Democrat I shouldn&#8217;t be watching and discussing what&#8217;s going on at the Republican National Convention? How else can I have a civilized and educated discussion with my Republican friends if I don&#8217;t know their philosophy and their arguments? Are you suggesting that themepark fanboys should never play and talk about sandbox games, and conversely?</p>
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		<title>By: Rammstein</title>
		<link>http://syncaine.com/2012/09/05/someone-reprogram-the-bot/#comment-78015</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rammstein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[p.s. Yes I used Tobold&#039;s line of argument about &#039;writing how good sandboxes are while actually playing themeparks&#039;, and yes I feel dirty.  But I lay the blame at your door, stop playing themeparks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. Yes I used Tobold&#8217;s line of argument about &#8216;writing how good sandboxes are while actually playing themeparks&#8217;, and yes I feel dirty.  But I lay the blame at your door, stop playing themeparks!</p>
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		<title>By: Rammstein</title>
		<link>http://syncaine.com/2012/09/05/someone-reprogram-the-bot/#comment-78014</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rammstein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In essence, your entire argument boils down to the claim that the way Gevlon plays EVE is boring and uncreative.  In contrast to the way you play EVE, where you formed a fairly generic WH corp, which was so exciting that you have apparently stopped playing EVE in favor of playing yet another WoW-clone.  Yes, only so you can write about how it&#039;s not as good a game as if it were a sandbox, just like the last 5 non-sandboxes you played (except LOL of course)...an odd pursuit for a man who claims to despise people who seek out boredom.

Personally, I enjoy trading, and I also have my main in a WH full time--and I play regularly, so on the new objectively meaningful scale of &#039;playing EVE in a not boring way&#039;, I seem to be the true winner here.  Since we all know having fun is a competitive sport ~_~

Your posts where you address zany contradictions in Gevlon&#039;s writings are hilarious.  But a post which boils down to calling someone else&#039;s playstyle boring?  How in the world does that strike you as &#039;entertaining blog content&#039;?  What&#039;s next, an incisive analysis on the hilariously boring world of low paying factory manufacturing jobs?

Your wh corp wasn&#039;t original or creative, but your viewpoint in writing about it was original and creative--as would be your GW2 criticism, if it didn&#039;t sound just like your posts about Rift and Cataclysm, etc.  I&#039;m not asking you to cut Gev a break just because he&#039;s a little cracked...I&#039;m just asking you to apply the same lax standards to him as you apply to yourself.  Heaping criticism on him for playing a sandbox, even only part of it, while you yourself are playing themeparks, after all you&#039;ve written about how sandboxes are superior? Really?  If Gev quit and went back to WoW you&#039;d DEFINITELY make fun of him for running back to a themepark, yet you yourself are playing a Wow-clone...huh?  (judging by the content of your posts as to what you&#039;re playing, and the fact that I never see you on EVE anymore on your main)

(this comment written while in a wh, engaged in a pos bash, an activity which requires zero % of my brain beyond checking dscan and listening on vent to our scout.  I would have written earlier while station trading, a supposedly horrendously mind-numbing activity, but I actually use my brain while doing that, and it involves making many more fun decisions than bashing a structure.  It&#039;s much more entertaining than wormhole sites/structure bashing, unless you&#039;re just bad at it, perhaps)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In essence, your entire argument boils down to the claim that the way Gevlon plays EVE is boring and uncreative.  In contrast to the way you play EVE, where you formed a fairly generic WH corp, which was so exciting that you have apparently stopped playing EVE in favor of playing yet another WoW-clone.  Yes, only so you can write about how it&#8217;s not as good a game as if it were a sandbox, just like the last 5 non-sandboxes you played (except LOL of course)&#8230;an odd pursuit for a man who claims to despise people who seek out boredom.</p>
<p>Personally, I enjoy trading, and I also have my main in a WH full time&#8211;and I play regularly, so on the new objectively meaningful scale of &#8216;playing EVE in a not boring way&#8217;, I seem to be the true winner here.  Since we all know having fun is a competitive sport ~_~</p>
<p>Your posts where you address zany contradictions in Gevlon&#8217;s writings are hilarious.  But a post which boils down to calling someone else&#8217;s playstyle boring?  How in the world does that strike you as &#8216;entertaining blog content&#8217;?  What&#8217;s next, an incisive analysis on the hilariously boring world of low paying factory manufacturing jobs?</p>
<p>Your wh corp wasn&#8217;t original or creative, but your viewpoint in writing about it was original and creative&#8211;as would be your GW2 criticism, if it didn&#8217;t sound just like your posts about Rift and Cataclysm, etc.  I&#8217;m not asking you to cut Gev a break just because he&#8217;s a little cracked&#8230;I&#8217;m just asking you to apply the same lax standards to him as you apply to yourself.  Heaping criticism on him for playing a sandbox, even only part of it, while you yourself are playing themeparks, after all you&#8217;ve written about how sandboxes are superior? Really?  If Gev quit and went back to WoW you&#8217;d DEFINITELY make fun of him for running back to a themepark, yet you yourself are playing a Wow-clone&#8230;huh?  (judging by the content of your posts as to what you&#8217;re playing, and the fact that I never see you on EVE anymore on your main)</p>
<p>(this comment written while in a wh, engaged in a pos bash, an activity which requires zero % of my brain beyond checking dscan and listening on vent to our scout.  I would have written earlier while station trading, a supposedly horrendously mind-numbing activity, but I actually use my brain while doing that, and it involves making many more fun decisions than bashing a structure.  It&#8217;s much more entertaining than wormhole sites/structure bashing, unless you&#8217;re just bad at it, perhaps)</p>
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		<title>By: prebzie</title>
		<link>http://syncaine.com/2012/09/05/someone-reprogram-the-bot/#comment-76615</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[prebzie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 09:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The money is in highsec&quot;? Guess you&#039;ve never been to a wormhole. :p

I don&#039;t hear about this gevlon guy when he isn&#039;t being flamed here, but from what I&#039;ve read in this blog he&#039;s pretty poor by most standards.

Basically we earn his entire fortune every week, and we&#039;re having fun doing it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The money is in highsec&#8221;? Guess you&#8217;ve never been to a wormhole. :p</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t hear about this gevlon guy when he isn&#8217;t being flamed here, but from what I&#8217;ve read in this blog he&#8217;s pretty poor by most standards.</p>
<p>Basically we earn his entire fortune every week, and we&#8217;re having fun doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: SynCaine</title>
		<link>http://syncaine.com/2012/09/05/someone-reprogram-the-bot/#comment-76217</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SynCaine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 19:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Odd analogy continuation time!

Gevlon is a serial killer pretending he is a conquer (it’s ok/glorious when you kill thousands/millions, so long as you win. If you lose you are a dictator/terrorist/badguy). I don’t respect the killer, I respect the conqueror.

In other words, Gevlon thinking he is ‘rich’ is one issue, because he’s not even close by those who focus on ISK. The other issue is how he got his ISK: being a human market bot is boring and anyone could do it, while making a trillion ISK doing something creative is worth respecting, and is not something most, including Gevlon, can do.

Make sense?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odd analogy continuation time!</p>
<p>Gevlon is a serial killer pretending he is a conquer (it’s ok/glorious when you kill thousands/millions, so long as you win. If you lose you are a dictator/terrorist/badguy). I don’t respect the killer, I respect the conqueror.</p>
<p>In other words, Gevlon thinking he is ‘rich’ is one issue, because he’s not even close by those who focus on ISK. The other issue is how he got his ISK: being a human market bot is boring and anyone could do it, while making a trillion ISK doing something creative is worth respecting, and is not something most, including Gevlon, can do.</p>
<p>Make sense?</p>
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		<title>By: rammstein</title>
		<link>http://syncaine.com/2012/09/05/someone-reprogram-the-bot/#comment-76215</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rammstein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 19:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You make a number of trenchant criticisms of Gevlon&#039;s EVE playstyle.  You also make two criticisms which tend to interfere with each other, which I will illustrate with a silly and disturbing analogy:

It&#039;s basically like you&#039;re telling a serial killer--&quot;Being a serial killer is horrible, and I won&#039;t listen to you because you&#039;re a serial killer...but, btw, if you killed more than 50 people I might listen to you a little because then you&#039;d be a really successful serial killer, so you should try to be smarter about killing people so that you can be better at it, even though I think that being a serial killer is horrible and that you&#039;re a bad person for doing it and shouldn&#039;t do it at all, but if you do keep killing people maybe try to be more inventive about it and do something memorable and new, here&#039;s a link to a serial killer that I find really inspiring.&quot;

So , you should probably either A.  Stop harping on Gevlon for focusing so much on making ISK, or B.  Set a concrete target above which you&#039;ll concede that he&#039;s made a significant amount of ISK.  Currently you&#039;re trying to eat your cake and possess it too, by simultaneously arguing that ISK possession is both significant and insignificant.  Or, just drop both these lines of argument and focus on his flailing around trying to find a purpose and organize people to accomplish it, that&#039;s really the meat of the issue anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make a number of trenchant criticisms of Gevlon&#8217;s EVE playstyle.  You also make two criticisms which tend to interfere with each other, which I will illustrate with a silly and disturbing analogy:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s basically like you&#8217;re telling a serial killer&#8211;&#8221;Being a serial killer is horrible, and I won&#8217;t listen to you because you&#8217;re a serial killer&#8230;but, btw, if you killed more than 50 people I might listen to you a little because then you&#8217;d be a really successful serial killer, so you should try to be smarter about killing people so that you can be better at it, even though I think that being a serial killer is horrible and that you&#8217;re a bad person for doing it and shouldn&#8217;t do it at all, but if you do keep killing people maybe try to be more inventive about it and do something memorable and new, here&#8217;s a link to a serial killer that I find really inspiring.&#8221;</p>
<p>So , you should probably either A.  Stop harping on Gevlon for focusing so much on making ISK, or B.  Set a concrete target above which you&#8217;ll concede that he&#8217;s made a significant amount of ISK.  Currently you&#8217;re trying to eat your cake and possess it too, by simultaneously arguing that ISK possession is both significant and insignificant.  Or, just drop both these lines of argument and focus on his flailing around trying to find a purpose and organize people to accomplish it, that&#8217;s really the meat of the issue anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: SynCaine</title>
		<link>http://syncaine.com/2012/09/05/someone-reprogram-the-bot/#comment-76201</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SynCaine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 17:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Point B is really the key to all of this. Gevlon believes his amount of ISK is significant, in part because he is misreading SOV-holding alliance Excel sheets and his non-trading experience is reading EVENews24 battle reports.

In other words, he is a nobody in EVE because he has done nothing worthwhile (other than unintentionally trolling on a blog), yet he not only believes he has actually accomplished something, but that his contribution is greater than others. Even worse, when those with saint-like patience try to explain this to him on his blog, because they actually know what they are talking about, he rejects (or deletes) them and puts up strawman after strawman, or edits things and states that his NEXT post is going to explain everything, which it never does.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point B is really the key to all of this. Gevlon believes his amount of ISK is significant, in part because he is misreading SOV-holding alliance Excel sheets and his non-trading experience is reading EVENews24 battle reports.</p>
<p>In other words, he is a nobody in EVE because he has done nothing worthwhile (other than unintentionally trolling on a blog), yet he not only believes he has actually accomplished something, but that his contribution is greater than others. Even worse, when those with saint-like patience try to explain this to him on his blog, because they actually know what they are talking about, he rejects (or deletes) them and puts up strawman after strawman, or edits things and states that his NEXT post is going to explain everything, which it never does.</p>
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