Exhibit A: Unfiltered comments from EVE players about Gevlon.
Exhibit B: Tobold’ed comments section at the little green guy’s site.
Protip: Posting tough and then not having the confidence to back it up is not a good look.
Who knew Gevlon was so socially sensitive?
Somebody get him a copy of “The Pigeon Has Feelings Too!”
I don’t get the whole “Morons and Slackers” schtick. From the first time I ever saw the term (Richard Linklater’s movie) I thought it meant “intelligent, free-thinking individual able and willing to set own goals and achieve them without reference to societal pressure”. Must have missed a memo.
the term did exist before the movie, and it does mean laziness. that said the movie does approach “lazy people” from a different angle. It does end up portraying them in that light.
that said Gelvon’s definition is someone who want’s something for nothing which is linked to greed… stranger than fiction sometimes. Humorously under the movie definition Gelvon himself could be called a slacker by virtue of the never use a gun thing.
but ultimately it’s really just ad hominim against those he disagrees with because it has negative connotations.
The unfiltered comments from EVE News are certainly an eye-opener for anyone who thought EVE had a more mature and intelligent playerbase than WoW or any other MMO.
indeed. Quite the eye opener
Never realised people could be so passionate about a spreadsheet game
I particularly like how angry people are that he has more time to play the game than them and more determination to gain profit in a game than they have in real life.
To be honest, Gevlon does the EVE community a favour by filtering his comments: he doesn’t get all the faux-hardman randoms. They’re far more funny (and sad, and pathetic) than Gevlon ever will be.
I’m sorry, but no, while I can only speak for myself, I would feel it a safe guess that the real reason for anger against him is his attitude not his pocket book and playtime, certainly people have made jabs at both of those and there probably are people who are envious, but it stems from his attitude.
Had he just gone about his business, and focused on making isk I honestly couldn’t see why there would even be an issue, but he took things a step further he has, in his posts, time and time again expressed complete disdain for anyone who doesn’t come at the game as he does. He is reaping what he has sown when it comes to opinions of him.
also while I can understand( disagree with, but understand) blocking troll comments, He has blocked comments that point out flaws in his argument, or maybe they were truly stupid, we will never know, but instead of rebuttal and explanation he tends towards censoring, his site, his right, but your argument starts looking bad when you start cherry picking your dissenters.
You mean the casual racism, sexism, homophobia and stuff?
Hey shut up you gay honkey bitch!
Carson, Eat a dick and die. WoW players are weaklings, playing with pixel barbies. Eve is the only game.
Strength and honor, brother.
You know this just proves right, right?
Go kill yourself.
That’s so last month.
People are mocking Gevlon for having failed but sadly they don’t they don’t understand the true nature of his failure. Gevlon has failed not because 20B isk is not enough. He has failed because he gave up a big chunk of his real life to grind ISK in the virtual world. He made 20B in 3 months and funded with PLEX 3 accounts. This is roughly equivalent of $1000. He has turned his EVE play into a second job and this second job pays him just over $300 a month.
I like how you can’t imagine someone having fun im Eve and not considering it work :) I wonder how much a standard EvE player makes in his EvE work by your definition.
Even of someone were to take your job comment seriously, then 300$ extra a month for probably less than 20 hours a week in a country where average net salary is about 500$ is hardly a failure.
It doesn’t matter if you take my job comment seriously. What does matter is that Gevlon takes his EVE activities seriously enough to turn it into a job and use it as a measuring stick to prove his superiority over other people. However, if you do this parallels with RL are inevitable. And in RL standards Gevlon’s “accomplishment” is simply pathetic.
You can’t do much in EvE without taking it seriously, that’s just the nature of the game. Gevlon does what he enjoys most, and shares his ways with his readers. That’s hardly a reson for al the vile and insults in the EvEnews comments.
Let’s be honest for a moment here: how many people like their jobs? Barely any. Maybe Gevlon is lying, but I’m willing to believe he likes his job. So not only does “grinding” not make any sense if you enjoy the activity, he’s got a double-rainbow win even if it is considered a “job” because it’s one he enjoys.
If you have to pay other people to amuse you, and people pay him for the privileged of providing his amusement, who exactly can be considered the “pathetic” one?
Of course, what’s a fun job to him can be torture for everyone else. You can freely and accurately criticize that angle of the argument – even if station trading is easy, it acts as a sufficient barrier to entry for someone looking for fun right now – but your present line of reasoning is pretty silly.
Isn’t anyone who plays more than you a no-lifer?
I thought this was a staple of MMO communities…
Yes and anyone who plays/cares less than you is a moron & slacker…
According to Google Reader:
Hardcore Casual = 266 subscribers
Greedy Goblin = 2,502 subscribers
Tobold = 2,386 subscribers
Would you not have moderated comments with ten times the volume? Gevlon absolutely has blocked damning counter-arguments before (mine, of course), but after a certain point I imagine it gets tedious seeing 100+ troll comments a day.
Interesting numbers, especially since they don’t line up with site traffic ratios. Care to guess what my numbers looked like when I was blogging about Rift? :)
I have no idea. I can’t even guess if they would have been higher or lower.
Well, if you are blogging about a game that has 12m subs (and writing “AH for Dummies” while you are at it), vs blogging about a game that has 10k subs, guess which topic is going to inherently give you more readers?
There is a reason millions read TMZ daily, and only part of it has to do with the quality of the content.
Yea, based on how many “Anonymous” labelled commentors and the like, I’m sure there are quite a few more readers than subscribers. Heck, I’m not even sure if I’m considered a subscriber…
I am interested to know where you got those numbers. When I look at Google Reader stats for Tobold, for example, it only shows 729 subscribers for his Feedburner feed…. though his Feedburner chicklet says 4,100… which gives us three very different numbers!
That aside, comment moderation is both a function of number of readers as well as how controversial the views are you which you express. Calling people names and being deliberately provocative gets the expected results. I get items syndicated to EVE News24, and so presumably a similar number of views there, and people rarely call me out except to say some variation of “boring!”
Google Reader –> click Browse For Stuff –> click Search tab –> type in “Tobold” (etc) –> click Search for Feeds.
I have no idea how “correct” those numbers may or may not be; those are simply all I had available at the time.
As for commenting, you are correct. No doubt our stately Syncaine would have nothing to worry about with a moderate increase in (commenting) readership. ;)
Nobody reads my blog, even fewer comment (I have anon comments turned off — own yer words or STFU)… I write in it anyways. *shrug*
Then again, I like writing. :-)
Just like with EVE, sometimes there’s more to it than just stats.
Goblin boy doesn’t seem to understand that running your month in EVE is a great way to ganked, griefed, and/or scammed. If he ever wants to do more than haul skill books, hes going to have to join a corp… Sow the wind enough, and sooner or later you reap the whirlwind. Should make for some entertaining reading though.
You guys noticed that the only thing the douche left unsaid is about his hot girlfriend who is a model and a sex symbol?…
Dude I’m like 7 foot 5 and can bench 3 people at once.
And I’m really Brad Pitt. Now let me go back to the bitch before she catches another one… Bitch loves to catch them all…