EVE: Shiny Cyberbullies

This post is not about offing yourself, I swear. It is about bullies, but fear not, it’s actually about EVE and real gameplay.

As I mentioned in a post pre-KillYourselfGate, INQ-E has started running Incursions as a Corp. Our first attempt went very well, and we had minimal competition for sites. Our second attempt was on a Sunday (which as BioWare has informed us all, is the busiest night in MMOland!), and did not go so well. Not only were we attempting this on a busy night, but the EVE gods also conspired against us and there was only one HighSec Incursion up, meaning everyone was funneled into just three VG systems.

The result was that every system had 3-4 shiny fleets moving from site to site, and at that level of traffic and firepower, we had little to no chance to actually get credit.

The way Incursions work is that the fleet that deals the most damage in a site gets paid. When it’s just your fleet at a site, this is a non-issue and everyone gets paid, but when a system is that busy, shiny fleets will often warp into a site in an attempt to steal it, even if you are a few minutes into it.

Well, when you are flying a fleet with rather low DPS, a shiny fleet has little trouble coming in late and still jacking the site. And that’s what happened over and over on Sunday night. I’m shocked CCP endorses such cyber bullying, and I had to talk more than one Corp member off a ledge (shit, sorry, forgot that’s not the subject here. And no Massively reader, I did not actually have someone try to kill themselves, it was a joke. Ride off into the sunset now.)

It’s the open nature of Incursion sites (zomg they are not an instanced playground for just you and you friends, the horror!) that drives players to get shinier and improve efficiency. Not only do you want to knock out sites asap to improve your ISK/hr rate, but when you get ‘shiny enough’, fleets can’t come in and jack you. It’s a great system really, and very much highlights what EVE is about; that even in PvE, the real game is PvP.

Last Tuesday we had another Incursion night, and the newest Incursion is just three jumps away from HQ. Once we had our fleet together, we knocked out six sites in an hour, for a very healthy 60m/hr ISK rate after taxes (Corp tax of 5%). Hopefully next Sunday there are multiple Incursions still up, and I should be in my new shiny (blaster Tengu).

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Former hardcore raider turned casual gamer.
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40 Responses to EVE: Shiny Cyberbullies

  1. This new Suicide Meme not only repulses….it is stale and old already.

  2. Zyref says:

    I wonder if it is possible to get enough battleships to disco a shiny incursion fleet.

    On one hand, i really doubt it is possible.
    On the other, it would be really epic if someone pulled it off.

    • Sand says:

      absolutely possible. the logistics (not the logi ships, the process of setting it up) would be a bit of a pain, but it can be done. and it would be fucking hilarious. (not to mention profitable)

  3. Ataraxzy says:

    I have a fairly skilled inactive account I’m interested in reactivating.

    Most of my goods are probably stuck on a station in Provi, probably GA9P-0, as I hung out with the SI Radio crew for awhile in 0.0, under Noir. and they no longer hold sov in 0.o.

    Don’t have a goal other than “get back into wormholes” and “die a lot” at the moment, but a small corp or some RvB action does not sound like a bad gig.

    It’s been a year and a half so I have a bunch of retraining to do.

    On the other hand, I used to teach E-Uni’s Overview Management class so it’s not like I’m untrainable.

  4. pkudude99 says:

    *Blaster* Tengu?

    That’s a new one on me. I mean, yeah I know it’s *possible* but hadn’t ever heard that it was *desirable.*

    • SynCaine says:

      850dps, 63k EHP, double web.

      [Tengu, Tengu fit]

      Tengu Engineering – Power Core Multiplier
      Tengu Propulsion – Intercalated Nanofibers
      Tengu Offensive – Magnetic Infusion Basin
      Tengu Electronics – Dissolution Sequencer
      Tengu Defensive – Supplemental Screening

      Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
      Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
      Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
      Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
      Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
      Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

      Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
      Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
      Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
      EM Ward Field II
      Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
      Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

      Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
      Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
      Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
      Tracking Enhancer II

      Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator II
      Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator I
      [Empty Rig slot]

      • pkudude99 says:

        Most excellent! That’s what I get for not keeping up on the ship fits since I let my sub go, I suppose.

  5. mbp says:

    Returning to EVE after a four year break the “shiny fleet” syndrome seems to have taken over the game. I know it is too much of a simplification to say that the game has turned into WoW but there is no question that there is a much greater emphasis placed on leet epeen gear these days and not just from the PVE folk. Even two bit high sec can flippers seem to be flying Tengus and Orca’s these days.

    Whatever happened to “Do not fly what you cannot afford to lose”? Is it just that everyone has so much isk these days that a billion isk ship is a shrug off loss?

    • Wloire says:

      A big part of it is the money flowing into the game.

      Between Incursions, Sleeper Loot and Sanctums the flow of cash into the hands of your everyday is exponentially larger then it was when we chained rats in Null.

      Theoretically this would be good (more money means more ships means more pew pew!) except the (understandable) tendency towards risk aversion has never really abated.

    • Aidan P. says:

      I’m one of those guys that can afford to fly those Shiny lovelies, but I don’t.

      I always thought it was a bit silly, to be frank, that people some how feel more confident in that faction ship. On the other hand, I can take all my tech II fit non-shiny ships a PvP with them – laughing at the guy loosing a mac.

    • Serpentine Logic says:

      It’s competitive PvE, in high-sec – what did you expect?

  6. mbp says:

    PS – I am not implying that you are a two bit high sec can flipper. That was just an unfortunate co-incidence.

    (Just don’t bye an Orca, Mkay?)

  7. Gesh says:

    Well this happenes when the game has players like Mittens, it’s his fault (yes I’m kidding). Maybe you had a member named the Wiz, the Wizz, the Wisz or Level 38 Wizard/Thief with you and this is the reason you got bullied.

  8. Gesh says:

    Oh, btw, check this out: http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2012/03/singing-ransom.html

    On of the comments, he (gevlon) made:
    “The goons will be more grief less because The Mittani loses his spirit. He either quit soon and then the Goons have a civil war for power, or he goes berserk and make stupid mistakes that make the goons lose lot of ISK and turn them into laughing stocks.

    Goons won’t wardec anyone. They kill rookie ships and Hulks, wouldn’t mess with anyone who can set up an able fleet.”

    So much BS in this post, but this is what you get when the only thing you do in this game is playing the 0.01 isk game in jita and flying a badger ii full of pyroxeres.

    • Cyndre says:

      …OR Mittens will rally the Goons with this red meat and terrorize the carebears even more.

      Hmmm, lose hope and quit or terrorize carebears… which sounds more Goonish…

      • Gesh says:

        “…OR Mittens will rally the Goons with this red meat and terrorize the carebears even more.”

        Yeah, exactly! :)

  9. Kobeathris says:


    Grats Syn, you are evil, I hope you feel good about yourself now.

    • SynCaine says:

      Hey, he linked to a wiki, so it must be correct. Damn me and my evil ways. /wrists time (If I do kill myself, and leave a note that I did it because Tobold said I was evil, that’s more or less the exact same thing as Facebook harassment right? I mean he did not say “SynCaine is evil”, he said the real person behind SynCaine is evil.)

      Also I think Tobold has a long history of fully understand PvP MMOs, making him a very credible source, even if he is not an MMO blogger. It’s not like he said “I can’t understand a game in which you don’t even know whether your opponent is making one move per day or one move every few minutes”.

      Oh wait, that is him huh? iPhone games are hard, yo. Plus no gold ammo in HA, how is Tobold supposed to keep up with the twitch generation?

      /hat-tip on the Friday Blogwar attempt though. At least he is following directions.

      • Kobeathris says:

        If he knew how hard you fail at reading your own forums, then he would understand the true nature of evil.

      • Dà Chéng says:

        I agree with Tobold on this:
        “wanting to win over the opposing avatar is okay, but deliberately wanting the player behind the opposing avatar to be emotionally or physically hurt is evil”. No amount of ridiculing Tobold’s gaming skills changes that.

        Here’s what you said, SynCaine:
        “Killing off the weak is not always a bad thing.” Your comments after the post make it clear that it was the person, not the avatar, you were referring to.

        As a result, I cannot help but agree with Tobold that “the real person blogging under the name of Syncaine is evil”. You are happy to kill off the weak, Syncaine, and you don’t think this is evil?

        • Wloire says:

          Without supporting the position either way.

          Is Darwinism evil?

        • Xyloxan says:

          “Here’s what you said, SynCaine:
          “Killing off the weak is not always a bad thing.” Your comments after the post make it clear that it was the person, not the avatar, you were referring to.”

          Dà Chéng, I cannot believe you are serious. If you are then I feel sorry for you.

        • Ataraxzy says:

          That’s pretty easy to do:

          Natural selection by means of evolution maximizes one variable, survivability in present conditions, by one method. culling.

          So, to the extent that you feel human beings have worth outside the variable “survivability in present conditions” and have value that is not maximized by culling, then to that extent ‘Darwinism’ is evil.

        • Hong WeiLoh says:

          These days we LOVE to hang “judgments” on people. Evil, good…lol and it’s all so fucking subjective. Reminds me of the old political “joke” about a guy who sees a kid being mauled by a rottweiler/pit bull/whatever, and kills the dog to save the kid.
          So first day, the paper runs the story: “Local hero saves kid, puts down snarling beast,” until the paper that day finds out that the guy is actually of the “wrong” political leaning.
          Next day, the paper re-runs the story: “Jack-booted jerk terrorizes kid, kills family pet.”
          Same act, one is “good”, the other “evil”.

          I think virtually everyone leans a lil too heavily on their own pulpit..

          Call me Evil, if you will: “Good. Bad. I’m the guy with the gun.”

        • Dà Chéng says:

          “Is darwinism evil”.

          Ideas aren’t evil. People are.

          “Evil, good…lol and it’s all so fucking subjective.”

          Yes. Each society has its own ideas. Ours agrees that killing the weak is evil.

          “Call me Evil, if you will: “Good. Bad. I’m the guy with the gun.””

          You are the middle-class anorak in front of the computer, pretending you’re hard.

  10. Xyloxan says:

    @Ataraxzy: Natural selection is, well, natural – neither evil nor good. It seems to me that deliberating whether the Nature is good or evil is pointless.

    • Ataraxzy says:

      You are correct.

      The question I answered, and I should have been more specific, is “Is Darwinism good or evil when applied to humans?”

      Considering that human beings have considerable power to avoid natural selection, this is a vastly more interesting question than “is natural selection natural?”

      • Hong WeiLoh says:

        Actually we don’t. We just like to _think_ we do. Important difference, as I think we’ll both live to see for ourselves.

        • Ataraxzy says:

          We don’t only if you think we have an absolute ability to avoid natural selection.

          But as looking at any chihuahua will tell you, we certainly DO have the ability to avoid it when we so desire.

        • Coeur-de-fer says:

          Not quite. We have the ability to change – deliberately or otherwise – our environment, which can alter the degree to which given traits affect our overall survivability. Designing and building, for example, a wheelchair does not avert natural selection; it creates an environment where chairs with wheels are available, and which thus selects against lameness less harshly.

          As to the comments in general, people always want to appeal to Darwin to lend credibility to their chest-thumping posturing. It’s unfortunate natural selection is still so poorly understood. One’s ambivalence towards suicide is not something that particularly disturbs me, but it would be nice if people could manage to leave old Chuck out of it; he endures enough misrepresentation at the hands of the sectarian sector.

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