Delpez is back with more war stats! Required reading for clan members. Readers who don’t care about CoC can probably scroll past this post, unless you really dig numbers.
Also if someone could let me know an easy way to make the tables smaller, with less space between cells in WordPress, that would be cool. This was a copy/paste job out of Word, with just some minor editing to make the tables fit the page, but I would like the tables a bit smaller overall, and in the editor I can’t seem to be able to adjust cell size individually like you can do in Excel.
Supreme Cream! War Stats vs. Polska Elita
General
General War Stats
Supreme Cream! |
Enemy |
|
Score |
102 |
77 |
Nr of TH10 |
3 |
3 |
Nr of TH9 |
4 |
2 |
Nr of TH8 |
9 |
12 |
Nr of TH7 |
14 |
19 |
Nr of TH6 |
10 |
3 |
Nr of TH5 |
0 |
1 |
Average TH Level |
7.40 |
7.50 |
Sum of TH Levels |
296 |
300 |
Inactive Players |
1 |
9 |
Theoretically they were a bit stronger than us, but they also had lots of rushed bases, inactivity and ineffective attacks; resulting in an easy win for Supreme Cream.
Stars not conquered
Supreme Cream! |
Enemy |
|
TH10 |
9 |
3 |
TH9 |
3 |
3 |
TH8 |
21 |
6 |
TH7 |
8 |
4 |
TH6 |
2 |
2 |
TH5 |
– |
0 |
Sum |
43 |
18 |
They did not take a single star off our TH10 bases, and made very little impact on our TH8 bases. We did well against all levels. Note that the stars we left behind against their TH6, 7 and 8 bases could have been reduced even further if we didn’t go for loot towards the end.
Overall attack stats
Combined Attacks
Supreme Cream! |
Enemy |
||
Combined |
Attacks Used |
72 |
56 |
3 Star Attacks |
26 |
19 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
36.1 |
33.9 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
1.75 |
1.43 |
|
1st Attack |
Attacks Used |
39 |
31 |
3 Star Attacks |
18 |
11 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
46.2 |
35.5 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
1.90 |
1.48 |
|
2nd Attack |
Attacks Used |
33 |
25 |
3 Star Attacks |
8 |
8 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
24.2 |
32.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
1.58 |
1.36 |
Their inactivity hurt them badly, but we also scored more stars per attack and a higher percentage 3 stars for the first attack (combined attack stats are skewed because many of our second attacks were 1 star loot strikes).
Attacks against same level bases
Supreme Cream! |
Enemy |
||
Combined |
Attacks Used |
49 |
19 |
3 Star Attacks |
22 |
2 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
44.9 |
10.5 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
1.92 |
0.95 |
|
1st Attack |
Attacks Used |
30 |
10 |
3 Star Attacks |
16 |
2 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
53.3 |
20.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
2.03 |
1.10 |
|
2nd Attack |
Attacks Used |
19 |
9 |
3 Star Attacks |
6 |
0 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
31.6 |
0.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
1.74 |
0.78 |
We shined here – they were extremely ineffective attacking same level bases, while we did very well: we scored 22 of our 26 total stars against same level bases. To some extent this is a function of their rushed bases; I can only speak for the TH7 bases I scouted during the war, but a number of them barely qualified as TH6!
Attacks against lower level bases
Supreme Cream! |
Enemy |
||
Combined |
Attacks Used |
10 |
34 |
3 Star Attacks |
4 |
16 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
40.0 |
47.1 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
2.00 |
1.74 |
|
1st Attack |
Attacks Used |
5 |
20 |
3 Star Attacks |
2 |
8 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
40.0 |
40.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
2.00 |
1.60 |
|
2nd Attack |
Attacks Used |
5 |
14 |
3 Star Attacks |
2 |
8 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
40.0 |
57.1 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
2.00 |
1.93 |
This is where they spent most of their attacks and scored most of their 3 stars. Usually we should be doing more of these attacks, but since the war was not close we used many of our second attacks for loot, rather than cleaning up lower 2 star bases. Just a word of caution, a couple of our attacks were against bases three and four TH levels below the attacker. That seems like a wasted attack, and takes away potential targets for lower level bases. A lower level attack should be one TH level below; or maybe two levels if your base is very rushed.
Attacks against higher level bases
Supreme Cream! |
Enemy |
||
Combined |
Attacks Used |
13 |
3 |
3 Star Attacks |
0 |
1 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
0.0 |
33.3 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
0.92 |
1.00 |
|
1st Attack |
Attacks Used |
4 |
1 |
3 Star Attacks |
0 |
1 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
0.0 |
100.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
0.75 |
3.00 |
|
2nd Attack |
Attacks Used |
9 |
2 |
3 Star Attacks |
0 |
0 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
0.0 |
0.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
1.00 |
0.00 |
They made very few of these attacks, and scored a 3 star. We did a lot of attacks against higher level bases, but all the second attacks were for loot. I also suspect that some players are reluctant to attack a base that has already been 2 starred and would rather attack a base that’s has no stars against it, even at a higher level (the recommended attack from the AI does not help either). It may be worth pointing out that it’s almost always better to attack a base with 2 stars that you could smash, rather than getting 1 or even 2 stars against a higher level base (Attacks against tough TH9 bases and almost all TH10 bases are the exception here, as its very difficult to 3-star such bases).
TH5 and TH6 attack stats (lumped together in one bracket)
All attacks
Supreme Cream! |
Enemy |
||
Combined |
Attacks Used |
18 |
4 |
3 Star Attacks |
0 |
0 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
0.0 |
0.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
0.78 |
0.00 |
|
1st Attack |
Attacks Used |
9 |
2 |
3 Star Attacks |
0 |
0 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
0.0 |
0.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
0.67 |
0.00 |
|
2nd Attack |
Attacks Used |
9 |
2 |
3 Star Attacks |
0 |
0 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
0.0 |
0.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
0.89 |
0.00 |
We did not do well, but they did even worse. It also didn’t help that the one base our TH6’s could have easily 3 starred (their TH5), was smashed early in the war by one of our TH9’s. Because the enemy had very few low level bases (four), there were a limited number of sensible attacks our guys could make.
Attacks against same level bases
Supreme Cream! |
Enemy |
||
Combined |
Attacks Used |
14 |
4 |
3 Star Attacks |
0 |
0 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
0.0 |
0.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
0.86 |
0.00 |
|
1st Attack |
Attacks Used |
7 |
2 |
3 Star Attacks |
0 |
0 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
0.0 |
0.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
0.86 |
0.00 |
|
2nd Attack |
Attacks Used |
7 |
2 |
3 Star Attacks |
0 |
0 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
0.0 |
0.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
0.86 |
0.00 |
However, we performed very poorly against those same level bases. I’ve had a look at some of the attacks and all of them were Giant/Healer/Archer attacks (which is good), and they shared the same mistakes (which is bad). None of the attacks I watched pulled clan troops correctly. Most tried to pull, but then didn’t pull all the clan troops before dealing with them. I’ve seen a number of attacks where we pull some of the clan troops, deal with them and then get the giants annihilated by the rest of the clan troops. Some people also don’t attack the air defence, so the healer gets destroyed quickly. Finally, it seems as if people are reluctant to upgrade their army camps (expensive, takes forever), because a number of the attacks I watched were with 135 worth of troops. Upgrading your army camps is a pain, but more than worth it. At TH6 this equates to another healer, or three more giants or fifteen archers – lots of extra power. To be fair, it’s can be quite difficult for a TH6 base to 3 star a solid TH6 base, but I guess we can do better than 0.86 stars per our first attack.
Attacks against higher level bases
Supreme Cream! |
Enemy |
||
Combined |
Attacks Used |
4 |
0 |
3 Star Attacks |
0 |
0 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
0.0 |
||
Average Stars / Attack |
0.50 |
||
1st Attack |
Attacks Used |
2 |
0 |
3 Star Attacks |
0 |
0 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
0.0 |
||
Average Stars / Attack |
0.00 |
||
2nd Attack |
Attacks Used |
2 |
0 |
3 Star Attacks |
0 |
0 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
0.0 |
||
Average Stars / Attack |
1.00 |
The first attacks were a bit of a waste, but maybe a function of very few available TH6 bases. Once again the point that it’s better to attack a TH6 base with 2 stars than a TH7 base with no stars. The second attacks were for loot.
TH7 attack stats
All attacks
Supreme Cream! |
Enemy |
||
Combined |
Attacks Used |
27 |
27 |
3 Star Attacks |
15 |
6 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
55.6 |
22.2 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
2.07 |
1.07 |
|
1st Attack |
Attacks Used |
14 |
14 |
3 Star Attacks |
10 |
3 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
71.4 |
21.4 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
2.36 |
1.00 |
|
2nd Attack |
Attacks Used |
13 |
13 |
3 Star Attacks |
5 |
3 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
38.5 |
23.1 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
1.77 |
1.15 |
We smashed them pretty hard here.
Attacks against same level bases
Supreme Cream! |
Enemy |
||
Combined |
Attacks Used |
18 |
9 |
3 Star Attacks |
14 |
1 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
77.8 |
11.1 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
2.50 |
1.00 |
|
1st Attack |
Attacks Used |
13 |
4 |
3 Star Attacks |
10 |
1 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
76.9 |
25.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
2.38 |
1.25 |
|
2nd Attack |
Attacks Used |
5 |
5 |
3 Star Attacks |
4 |
0 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
80.0 |
0.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
2.80 |
0.80 |
Especially considering that most of our (first) attacks were against same level bases. The 3 star percentage is very high – maybe a function of dragon attacks that almost can’t fail against TH7 bases?
Attacks against lower level bases
Supreme Cream! |
Enemy |
||
Combined |
Attacks Used |
2 |
17 |
3 Star Attacks |
1 |
5 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
50.0 |
29.4 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
1.50 |
1.18 |
|
1st Attack |
Attacks Used |
0 |
10 |
3 Star Attacks |
0 |
2 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
20.0 |
||
Average Stars / Attack |
0.90 |
||
2nd Attack |
Attacks Used |
2 |
7 |
3 Star Attacks |
1 |
3 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
50.0 |
42.9 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
1.50 |
1.57 |
This is where they used most of their attacks, and it was not very successful (I guess the valk in the clan castle had something to do with it?). We should probably be making more of these attacks, but they had so few TH6 bases and we were already winning, so it didn’t matter in the end.
Attacks against higher level bases
Supreme Cream! |
Enemy |
||
Combined |
Attacks Used |
7 |
1 |
3 Star Attacks |
0 |
0 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
0.0 |
0.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
1.14 |
0.00 |
|
1st Attack |
Attacks Used |
1 |
0 |
3 Star Attacks |
0 |
0 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
0.0 |
||
Average Stars / Attack |
2.00 |
||
2nd Attack |
Attacks Used |
6 |
1 |
3 Star Attacks |
0 |
0 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
0.0 |
0.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
1.00 |
0.0 |
Not much happening here – all our second attacks were for loot. The one first attack did score two stars, but it would probably have been better directed towards a same or a lower level base.
TH8 attack stats
All attacks
Supreme Cream! |
Enemy |
||
Combined |
Attacks Used |
16 |
18 |
3 Star Attacks |
9 |
10 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
56.3 |
55.6 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
2.38 |
2.00 |
|
1st Attack |
Attacks Used |
9 |
11 |
3 Star Attacks |
6 |
6 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
66.7 |
54.5 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
2.56 |
2.09 |
|
2nd Attack |
Attacks Used |
7 |
7 |
3 Star Attacks |
3 |
4 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
42.9 |
57.1 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
2.14 |
1.86 |
Big improvement over the previous war (the one we lost, not the easy one in between). This is especially significant since most of our attacks were against same level bases, while the enemy mostly attacked down.
Attacks against same level bases
Supreme Cream! |
Enemy |
||
Combined |
Attacks Used |
11 |
3 |
3 Star Attacks |
7 |
0 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
63.6 |
0.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
2.55 |
1.00 |
|
1st Attack |
Attacks Used |
7 |
2 |
3 Star Attacks |
5 |
0 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
71.4 |
0.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
2.71 |
1.00 |
|
2nd Attack |
Attacks Used |
4 |
1 |
3 Star Attacks |
2 |
0 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
50.0 |
0.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
2.25 |
1.00 |
Our TH8 performance against same level base was very impressive.
Attacks against lower level bases
Supreme Cream! |
Enemy |
||
Combined |
Attacks Used |
3 |
13 |
3 Star Attacks |
2 |
9 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
66.7 |
69.2 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
2.67 |
2.31 |
|
1st Attack |
Attacks Used |
1 |
8 |
3 Star Attacks |
1 |
5 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
100.0 |
62.5 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
3.00 |
2.25 |
|
2nd Attack |
Attacks Used |
2 |
5 |
3 Star Attacks |
1 |
4 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
50.0 |
80.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
2.50 |
2.40 |
As was the case with the TH7’s, the enemy directed most of their TH8 attacks down, with reasonable success. Once again we would probably make more of these (second) attacks if the war was closer
Attacks against higher level bases
Supreme Cream! |
Enemy |
||
Combined |
Attacks Used |
2 |
2 |
3 Star Attacks |
0 |
1 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
0.0 |
50.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
1.00 |
1.50 |
|
1st Attack |
Attacks Used |
1 |
1 |
3 Star Attacks |
0 |
1 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
0.0 |
100.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
1.00 |
3.0 |
|
2nd Attack |
Attacks Used |
1 |
1 |
3 Star Attacks |
0 |
0 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
0.0 |
0.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
1.00 |
0.0 |
Not much happening here – I think our second attack was for loot.
TH9&10 attack stats (lumped into one bracket)
All attacks
Supreme Cream! |
Enemy |
||
Combined |
Attacks Used |
11 |
7 |
3 Star Attacks |
2 |
3 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
18.2 |
42.9 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
1.64 |
2.14 |
|
1st Attack |
Attacks Used |
7 |
4 |
3 Star Attacks |
2 |
2 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
28.6 |
50.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
1.71 |
2.25 |
|
2nd Attack |
Attacks Used |
4 |
3 |
3 Star Attacks |
0 |
1 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
0.0 |
33.3 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
1.50 |
2.00 |
They seemed to outperform us in this bracket. We do have a number of rushed bases in this level, but I don’t know enough about high level CoC to make informed comments.
Attacks against same level bases
Supreme Cream! |
Enemy |
||
Combined |
Attacks Used |
6 |
3 |
3 Star Attacks |
1 |
1 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
16.7 |
33.3 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
1.50 |
2.00 |
|
1st Attack |
Attacks Used |
3 |
2 |
3 Star Attacks |
1 |
1 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
33.3 |
50.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
1.67 |
2.00 |
|
2nd Attack |
Attacks Used |
3 |
1 |
3 Star Attacks |
0 |
0 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
0.0 |
0.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
1.33 |
2.00 |
I guess these are bonus stars, as it’s not expected to consistently 3 star TH9&10 bases. Also note that they didn’t get any stars off our TH10 bases. All their stars and attacks were directed at our TH9 bases, and we have a few people who rushed to that level.
Attacks against lower level bases
Supreme Cream! |
Enemy |
||
Combined |
Attacks Used |
5 |
4 |
3 Star Attacks |
1 |
2 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
20.0 |
50.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
1.80 |
2.25 |
|
1st Attack |
Attacks Used |
4 |
2 |
3 Star Attacks |
1 |
1 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
25.0 |
50.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
1.75 |
2.50 |
|
2nd Attack |
Attacks Used |
1 |
2 |
3 Star Attacks |
0 |
1 |
|
Total 3 Star % |
0.0 |
50.0 |
|
Average Stars / Attack |
2.00 |
2.00 |
But I would have expected TH9&10 bases to reliably 3 star TH8 bases? (Syn comment: If all of our TH9s were ‘normal’, yes. But we have a few who rushed and don’t have TH9-level troops, so their attacks are more like TH8, maybe even TH7, in terms of power. Rushing is bad kids!)
Summary
Good Stuff
Activity was high, especially for the first attack.
TH7&8 attacks against same level bases achieved a high 3 star percentage..
We won!
For Improvement
Don’t attack more than one TH levels below your level (preferably one level, but it’s ok to attack two levels down if your base is rushed).
It’s almost always better to attack a base with 2 stars that you could potentially smash, rather than getting 1 or even 2 stars against a higher level base (Not applicable to TH9+ bases).
TH6 attacks – pull ALL clan troops properly, go for AD with giants and upgrade army camps for more power.
TH9&10 rushed bases – I’m not sure what we can do except wait, but they could potentially target TH8&7 bases in wars?
If dragons are that powerful against TH7 bases, should we be instructing our new TH7’s to prioritize access to dragons over other upgrades?
Dragons are powerful so I certainly wouldn’t discourage anyone from them, but they also take a long time to train and are fairly costs. As Delpez mentioned below, they are also not the only viable option at TH7, just (IMO) the easiest to get a 3-star with, especially against other TH7 bases that neglect air defense.
Personally I think every th7 should get at least 1, pref 2 bases able to produce dragons. Full drag attacks pretty much cant fail vs th7, and they allow our th7s to fairly reliably 3* th8s. If the resource cost/training time is too high, mixing in some loons works quite well, as you can use dragons to tank whilst the loons wreak their defenses.
So, if you go say half lvl 2 dragons, half lvl 4 loons, and you give the dragons a head start at the 4 corners to catch aggro – do y’all think you will be as reliable a 3 star (th7 or th8)? Or is that case by case and more to save some elixir? So, if you’ve got the elixir (and training time) to go max dragons, better safe than sorry?
Basically, yea. If you have the time all dragons is safer, and likely ‘better’ for all but a few specific setups (aid def deeply hidden behind non-defensive buildings like resource holders).
The big question with dragons is whether you three lightning down one air def, or go heal/rage. Again I think the ‘safer’ bet there is three lightning, as it leaves less room for error over dropping poorly placed heals/rage.
Just my two cents – we are not a hardcore clan, nobody will stay at TH7 forever and there are a number of powerful ways to attack at TH7 (I guess that was 3 cents!). Basically, I believe people should play to have fun as long as it’s not obviously ineffective and as long as the player is trying to improve. I think if someone wants to do giants/healers at TH7 that should be fine (it’s actually quite powerful), as long as they make some effort to get better at it. Same with rushing – if someone wants to rush their base to TH9 that should be ok too, but then they should maybe focus on TH7 or 8 bases in wars to keep contributing.
I rushed to TH10 and hated it for months until I tanked my trophies and just produced resources and upgraded for about half a year.
I kid you not.
Do not rush if you want to raid for fun and profit, it sucks so very badly. As a TH10 it’s generally more expensive for me to try to raid then the rewards below the Crystal League.
Dragons, upgrades to dragons, and upgrades to barracks to make more dragons at the same time were big on my TH7 list mostly because it looked like fun to unleash a dragon attack. I still get a kick out of it every time.
Lvl 2 dragons unveiled thursday…
I really would love some feedback/marching orders for wars. I’ve been generally focused on hitting the other team’s top castles simply because that way I can fight early (and because it doesn’t get in the way of our lower members) and because it’s decent money if we win.
But I’ve been pretty poor at it. So I’m not sure if it’s useful for me to 6 star some lowbies at the end of the war or to try to run over their #1 in the opening salvo for a morale boost.
Thoughts?
If you can get 2-3 stars the 1-2 base, do that. If not, hold off on attacks for a bit and see how it goes.